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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: *unknown*
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 92 15:52:14 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Good point, and we've seen evidence of it before: Holdsworth hasn't
exactly the best grip on the business side of music. For me that is
probably why the music is so beautiful.
I read into his over self critisisms a certain insecurity -- but that's
fine... also a humbleness and an uncomfortability with the hyp'd
"guitar god" recognition that he gets (although not unwarranted).
But that's O.K. Do you recall the Resnicoff "Worth Quotes" columns in
the last Guitar Player feature on him. Just straight from the heart
comments about the up's and downs of his craft.
BTW... It's an immense pleasure to be discussing this over the net.
In a flea market in scotland i picked up a boot of holdsworth, jack bruce,
and jon hiseman doing a version of "white line". Extreme nostalgia.
Terrible bass playing. Awful singing. But it shows the development of
the "deep clean" playing that came out on IOU after the 70s soloist
playing.
Talk to you later,
Elliot E. Freedman
Owner & listener of an Atavachron CD
(!)
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Kei Akagi
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 92 18:40:18 PDT
From: adac!wizard!farrar@uunet.UU.NET (richard farrar)
Subject: Kei Akagi
I know I've heard of this guy before. Who else has he played with?
I think it is really a shame that Holdsworth has never put out a live album.
The concert I saw in 89 was fantastic, a real demonstration of what Allan and
his band can do live. Maybe he doesn't feel the improvisation would translate
well to recorded media, but I think he's wrong. IMHO, I think the listeners
appreciation would be enhanced by being able to listen to it again and again
and hear things that you missed the first time around.
Rich
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: *unknown*
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 09:07 EST
From: "Stop, or my klingon rug-rat will fire!"
Subject: Re: *unknown*
I had the good fortune to hang out and drink beer with Allan for a couple of
hours after the show here in Baltimore. A friend of mine asked him "You want
to go to Fletchers and play pool"? And he said "Sure!". He and Steve Hunt
came along. He said he never made ANY royalty money (his words) until the
relativity and enigma releases. They were driving all across the east coast
with all their stuff, going from date to date (fun!)... He seemed real down
to earth, and didn't cop any rockstar 'tudes.
Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu There will always end up being
JHUVMS system programmer someone who has to stick all the utilities
Homewood Computing Facilities on everyone's machine -datri@convex.com
Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: ROAD GAMES
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 1 May 92 01:50:08 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: ROAD GAMES
I recall reading in an AH interview that there are some hard feelings between
Holdsworth and the record company that released ROAD GAMES (Warner?).
Do you think there's any chance at all that this great recording will see the
light of day as a CD reissue?? Do you think writing to the record company
would help things along on this front? I'd sure love to have a copy of it on
CD!
-Lynn
< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Royalties
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 01 May 92 13:37:50 CDT
From: Paul Heroy
Subject: Royalties
Anybody who's disgusted at the treatment accorded AH should check out the
book 'Hit Men', by Frederic Dannen, in which the author lifts the rock to
expose the slimy insects that make up the record industry. Royalties not
making it to musicians is a time-honored tradition in the rock music world.
And to make things worse, the RIAA is now trying to get Congress to pass a
bill that would put a tax on *every* digital recording device and *every*
blank tape sold, for the purpose of 'royalties for the musicians'. Riiiight.
To make it even worse, of the 6 major companies that control 95+ % of the
market, only 1 is U.S. owned (Atlantic? I forget) - not to get into
'foreigner/Japan bashing', but this bill really stinks. The record business
really stinks. Makes me want to stop buying CD's (that would be a feat, since
I have nearly 600) and just start patronizing local clubs that have live
bands playing.
Paul
heroy@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: *unknown*
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 1 May 92 13:35:39 MDT
From: Steve_Monroe@stortek.com (Steve Monroe)
SUBJECT: misc
I think Kei Agagi played on the first
Frank Gambale LP "Brave New Guitar."
(is the title correct: not sure)
I saw (and met) Allan at the NAMM show
in 1986, at the Syntheaxe room. Really
nice guy. He demoed the Synthaxe for
about half an hour, trying to get it to
glitch. Incredible playing: and he made
it all look VERY effortless. After about
15 minutes of amazing runs, he looks up
at everyone and says, "Well, as you can
see, it works." The whole room just
busted up. I talked with him for
about 10 minutes after the demo. What a
nice guy. We talked about John Coltrane,
amps and pickups.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: ROAD GAMES
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 1 May 92 14:57:00 -0400
From: barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Subject: Re: ROAD GAMES
rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga writes:
>I recall reading in an AH interview that there are some hard feelings
>between Holdsworth and the record company that released ROAD GAMES
>(Warner?). Do you think there's any chance at all that this great
>recording will see the light of day as a CD reissue??
I certainly hope so! It's my favorite AH album by far.
I'd guess that the odds are small it would be released in the USA,
since it's an EP (only 6 tunes) with a fairly small audience. Perhaps
it will be released in Japan, where they seem to release *everything*
these days.
ROAD GAMES is probably the most awaited unreleased Allan
Holdsworth album. It's one of a handful albums that I'd pay
practically any price (up to, say, $50) to own on CD. Let's hope it
comes out sometime reasonably soon.
Dan
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: ROAD GAMES
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 2 May 92 20:28:45 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Road Games on CD...
.....I'm sure Warner Bros. has no interest in rereleasing this on CD...
But we might all try and perhaps pool our letters together... perhaps
gathering signature via this net.
I know, having the smooth section of "Three Sheets..." (just before the
solo) coat my living room with CD quality sound would be utterly incredible.
Want to give it a try??
Elliot E. Freedman
Advanced Technology,
MPR Teltech Ltd.
8999 Nelson Way
Burnaby, BC V5A 4B5
Canada
+1 604 293 6034
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RE: KEI AKAGI
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sun, 3 May 92 09:17:03 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: RE: KEI AKAGI
A quick search of my database revealed that Kei Akagi appears on the following
CD's:
Kei Akagi PLAYROOM
Miles Davis &
Michel Legrand DINGO SELECTIONS FROM THE MOVIE SOUNDTRACK
Frank Gambale A PRESENT FOR THE FUTURE
Frank Gambale LIVE!
Frank Gambale NOTE WORKER
Frank Gambale THUNDER FROM DOWN UNDER
Flora Purim &
Airto Moreira THE MAGICIANS
Someone posted to USENET group rec.music.bluenote today and said that Akagi
was a member of Miles' last group.
-Lynn
< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: ROAD GAMES
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sun, 3 May 92 19:35:48 EDT
From: ouij%triples@Triples.Math.McGill.CA (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: Re: ROAD GAMES
On May 3, 3:12pm, atavachron@morekypr wrote:
}
> Date: Sat, 2 May 92 20:28:45 PDT
> From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
> Subject: Road Games on CD...
>
> ....I'm sure Warner Bros. has no interest in rereleasing this on CD...
>
> But we might all try and perhaps pool our letters together... perhaps
> gathering signature via this net.
>
> I know, having the smooth section of "Three Sheets..." (just before the
> solo) coat my living room with CD quality sound would be utterly incredible.
sigh, ROAD GAMES.. October 1986 the first AH album that I heard and liked.
I belive that in the september issue of GUITAR player that year they
had a tear out sound page with "Non-brewed condiment" which I
I just could not make heads or tails of but oh man, ROAD GAMES
what a work of art. after that then could I appreciate any other
work by AH but I still don't like non-brewed condiment.
We have three options regarding getting ROAD GAMES into
a more viable media
a) start a letter writing campaign. but I belive that the
economics would require that warner brothers see at least
15-20 K copies of CD sold before they even consider it.
...
b) if the vynl is still out, we buy a copy and do as good
a transfer to DAT as we can , visit a bootleg CD production
place and get copies pressed.
c) if ROAD GAMES (perish the thought) is close to being
discontinued (I don't think I have seen a copy in the
record stores since 87). There is a slim chance that
under certain circumstances we could buy the rights along with
the master tape and then get a CD pressed.
> Elliot E. Freedman
Ouij
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 4 May 92 09:35:35 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES
>sigh, ROAD GAMES.. October 1986 the first AH album that I heard and liked...
>
>We have three options regarding getting ROAD GAMES into
>a more viable media
>
>a) start a letter writing campaign. but I belive that the
>economics would require that warner brothers see at least
>15-20 K copies of CD sold before they even consider it...
>
>b) if the vynl is still out, we buy a copy and do as good
>a transfer to DAT as we can , visit a bootleg CD production
>place and get copies pressed.
>
>c) if ROAD GAMES (perish the thought) is close to being
>discontinued (I don't think I have seen a copy in the
>record stores since 87). There is a slim chance that
>under certain circumstances we could buy the rights along with
>the master tape and then get a CD pressed.
>
> Elliot E. Freedman
It seems like the best route (ie., best quality product obtained with the
least amount of effort) to try first is (a), if there is any possibility
of convincing Warner that it would be financially worthwhile to reissue it. If
we were to do this, does anyone know to whom we would direct our writing
campaign?
-Lynn
< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 4 May 92 14:50:14 -0400
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES
>It seems like the best route... to try first is... convincing Warner
>that it would be financially worthwhile to reissue it.
>Does anyone know to whom we would direct our writing campaign?
I have an address that is about 1 year old:
Mr. Fran Aliberte
Director of National Sales
Warner/Elektra/Atlantic Corp.
111 North Hollywood Way
Burbank, CA 91505
And just for fun:
Mr. Henry Droz, President
Warner/Elektra/Atlantic Corp.
111 North Hollywood Way
Burbank, CA 91505
I don't know if these are the appropriate people to contact or not.
I did once write to Henry Droz and get a response. (Although I'm
told it was a form letter.)
Dan
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Rights to _Road Games_
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 04 May 92 15:13:32 EDT
From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: Rights to _Road Games_
I'm glad to see people using the list to suggest unifying actions
such as letter-writing campaigns... it would be great to be able to
persuade the record companies to act in our favor. Maybe if we would
all spend a few pennies on postage we could try to reverse the trend
of ripoffs that Allan Holdsworth has endured over the years.
Just last week, I was in a Lexington (KY) record store, and I saw
both _Metal Fatigue_ and _Atavachron_ CDs packaged in black longboxes
that said "Restless" in white lettering at the top. Perhaps that means
that Restless has not only decided to release Holdsworth's upcoming
album, but also is trying to buy his catalog (the Enigma part, in any
case... those might have gone at bargain prices because of Enigma's
bankruptcy). I would suggest writing to Restless and asking them if
they have any plans to buy the rights to _Road Games_ from Warner,
since Restless seems to know his material is worth distributing (I
doubt Warner would consider a _Road Games_ CD a sound investment).
Does anyone have the address for Restless Records...?
Jeff Preston
Owner and moderator of Atavachron
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 4 May 92 15:22:55 EDT
From: ouij%triples@Triples.Math.McGill.CA (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES
On May 4, 2:37pm, atavachron@morekypr wrote:
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> Date: Mon, 4 May 92 09:35:35 -0400
> From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
> Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES
>
>
> It seems like the best route (ie., best quality product obtained with the
> least amount of effort) to try first is (a), if there is any possibility
> of convincing Warner that it would be financially worthwhile to reissue it.
If
> we were to do this, does anyone know to whom we would direct our writing
> campaign?
>
> -Lynn
If you can hold on for another 12 hours, once I get
back home, I have a publication called
"the Rock and Roll yellow pages" which lists
everything and all companies that remotely touch
the music industry. (the best $100 USD you can spend
if you need such information). And I will dig
up the warner brothers addresses. I suggest that
we just bombard all their offices worldwide, that way
when they get routed to the appropriate person, they
will think it is a phenomenon occuring.
Personally, I have had such a good week with legal
papers and getting things that I never thought
possible, that perhaps I shall see how much they
want for the rights to ROAD GAMES :-)
>
> < R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
> < Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
> < Brandeis University, Waltham, MA >
>
Ouij
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES--RESTLESS VS. WARNER
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 4 May 92 15:48:53 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: RE: ROAD GAMES--RESTLESS VS. WARNER
If we're going to try to get something rolling on ROAD GAMES, may I
suggest that we first try the method suggested by Jeff? That is, try to get
Restless to buy the rights to ROAD GAMES from Warner. The only reason I'm
writing this is to say that, if we want to try Restless first, then we
shouldn't write to Warner and show any interest in RG (ie., any interest shown
on our parts to Warner might lead to them inflating the price that they would
charge Restless for the rights to RG). Maybe I'll try to give Restless
Records a call this afternoon to determine to whom we should write.
-Lynn
< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Restless
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 4 May 92 12:38:59 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Restless
I just talked with Allan recently (around Fed.) and he said that
Restless will be releasing his new album. I got the notion that Restless is
the reformed Enigma. Therefore Restless will only be releasing stuff that
Enigma already had, it is very doubtful that Restless will be able to buy
the masters of Road Games.
Eddie
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RESTLESS
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 4 May 92 17:12:30 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: RESTLESS
Well, I had no luck reaching Restless Records at the number I got out of
Schwann's Spectrum catalog. I dialed 213-390-9969 and was told that the area
code had been changed to 310, so I redialed 310-390-9969. I reached a
personal answering machine. I called directory assistance in Culver City, CA,
and they said they have no listing for Restless. If anyone can come up with
better information for Restless, let me know.
-Lynn
< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Letters
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 05 May 92 06:22:40 EDT
From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: Letters
All this letter-writing talk has made me want to share with you
a letter I wrote to Rick Berman, the co-executive producer of _Star
Trek: The Next Generation_ . I thought it might sound a little silly
at first, but now I'd really like to get anyone here who is interested
in such a thing to write to Paramount and ask them to at least look
into having Allan on the show... I'm guessing that he would love to
appear, and that it would also be good publicity for him as well.
If you're up for it, the address for Paramount Pictures is given
below, and a letter addressed to Michael Piller at the same address
wouldn't hurt any, either. Enjoy!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Mr. Berman,
I recently heard that Paramount announced its plans to develop
_Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_ in the coming year, and had named
Michael Piller and yourself as co-executive producers for the
series. I would like to offer my sincere congratulations -- knowing
your work on _Star Trek: The Next Generation_, I feel confident that
the Star Trek legacy is in very able hands. I am invariably
impressed by the production quality and consistency of the show; I
hope you will both decide to stay affiliated with Star Trek for
years to come.
As an avid music listener and long-time Star Trek fan, I would
like to offer a suggestion for your consideration. I have always
thought that seeing the crew of the Enterprise enjoying musical
performances lent an element of realism to the show, and I believe I
know of one artist that would be a very appropriate choice as a
guest performer for a future episode. His name is Allan Holdsworth,
and I believe that you would find "24th Century Jazz" an apt
description of his music. Allan is a powerful and moving guitarist
who is also known for his work using a vaguely guitar-shaped
synthesizer controller known as the SynthAxe. Just one look at the
cover of his 1985 release _Atavachron_ should dispel any doubts
about his feelings for Star Trek.
I think that between Riker's love of jazz, and LaForge's
often-stated preference for guitar music, there should definitely be
room for Allan Holdsworth in the Star Trek universe. In the hope
that you may consider asking him to appear, I have also enclosed
information on how to contact his management. In closing, I'd like
to thank you for taking the time to read the ramblings of "a voice
in the crowd," and to wish you the greatest success on the upcoming
series -- keep up the great work!
Sincerely,
(signed)
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Slight memory problem :)
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 05 May 92 06:30:12 EDT
From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: Slight memory problem :)
Very slick... I forgot to include the Paramount address! :) Here
it is:
Rick Berman (or Michael Piller)
c/o Paramount Pictures
5555 Melrose Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90038
USA
Jeff Preston
Owner and moderator of Atavachron
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Restless
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 05 May 92 09:11:22 EDT
From: "Christoper V. DeRobertis"
Subject: Re: Restless
Restless Records is not the reformed Enigma. Restless Records was a
division of Enigma Records. When Enigma went bankrupt some if its
holdings made it through the storm, for instance Restless Records.
Restless Records had its own personnel department, A&R people, etc.
By Enigma's own admission, Restless Records was, by design, part of
Enigma, yet totally autonomous in day-to-day business. Other
divisions of Enigma were not so lucky, for example, Intima Records
(AH last home). I still have not found out the fate of several
other child companies -- Mute Records, Pink Dust, Medussa, and
their 'alternative/dance' label (which I can't recall the name to
at the moment).
At one time Metal Blade Records had a major link to Enigma
Entertainment, but they broke the ties before Enigma went (fully)
under and are now a 'division' of Warner Bros. Records.
Before Enigma started getting really 'big' they tried to keep ties
with Captial Records for distribution and general publicity. Poison
and Stryper both went this route for a while.
According to recent Restless Records CD releases, which contain a
catalog of available Restless recordings, AH's Enigma/Intima
material is available on Restless. They made no mention of a new
release (yet).
My apologies to Mike for wasting the ATAVACHRON bandwidth with this
brief and incomplete Enigma history. Hope this helped.
Dero (Chris DeRobertis)
Editor/Owner Update Music Newsletter/UPNEWS LISTSERV
UICD@MARIST.BITNET, UICD@VM.MARIST.EDU
UPNEWS@MARIST.BITNET, UPNEWS@VM.MARIST.EDU
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: *unknown*
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 7 May 1992 18:02:18 -0400
From: Gerald E Sylvester
Subject: Re: *unknown*
>
> Date: Fri, 1 May 1992 09:07 EST
> From: "Stop, or my klingon rug-rat will fire!"
> Subject: Re: *unknown*
>
> I had the good fortune to hang out and drink beer with Allan for a couple of
> hours after the show here in Baltimore. A friend of mine asked him "You want
> to go to Fletchers and play pool"? And he said "Sure!". He and Steve Hunt
> came along. He said he never made ANY royalty money (his words) until the
> relativity and enigma releases. They were driving all across the east coast
> with all their stuff, going from date to date (fun!)... He seemed real down
> to earth, and didn't cop any rockstar 'tudes.
>
> Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu There will always end up being
> JHUVMS system programmer someone who has to stick all the utilities
> Homewood Computing Facilities on everyone's machine -datri@convex.com
> Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218
Another one from Hopkins into good music. I guess you knew/know Dan
Barrett especially since he was in the CS department. When was
this show? I wish I had gone. I am not really into his music that
much but I would love to see him. I actually saw him on his Atavachron
tour a few years ago in NY and I thought most of his music sounded
the same but I guess I haven't heard enough of him. Acutally, I have
never seen the more recommended on his albums in the stores or
even mail order. Anyway, I am sure you know that finals are coming
(the number of users logged on jumps up to 90) and I have one
tomorrow. Speak to you soon.
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* Gerald Sylvester *
* The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD *
* BITNET: SYLVE_GE@JHUNIX.HCF.JHU.BITNET *
* INTERNET: SYLVE_GE@JHUNIX.HCF.JHU.EDU *
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Billy Childs w/'Flim' Johnson
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 8 May 92 19:19:06 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Billy Childs w/'Flim' Johnson
For particularily pleasing work by Jimmy Johnson that rivals that
on the Holdsworth recordings and for tunes of equal brilliance, depth,
and immagination do check out:
Billy Childs His April Touch
Billy Childs Twighlight Is Upon Us
Billy Childs Take For Example This...
Augment your listening pleasure with Keyboard Player's two part interview
with Billy Childs (Dec. '91 & Jan. '92). The disks are on Windham Hill's
Hip Pocket label.
PS. Beaming Allan into the Enterprise lounge is a great idea! Many
are enthused around here.
Elliot E. Freedman
freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Childs / Letters
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 09 May 92 06:21:00 EDT
From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: Childs / Letters
>Date: Fri, 8 May 92 19:19:06 PDT
>From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
>Subject: Billy Childs w/'Flim' Johnson
>For particularily pleasing work by Jimmy Johnson that rivals that
>on the Holdsworth recordings and for tunes of equal brilliance, depth,
>and immagination do check out:
> Billy Childs His April Touch
> Billy Childs Twighlight Is Upon Us
> Billy Childs Take For Example This...
Billy Childs... hmm. Wasn't he on _Atavachron_ and/or _Metal Fatigue_
as a guest keyboardist? The name sounds very familiar, but I can't quite
place him.
>PS. Beaming Allan into the Enterprise lounge is a great idea! Many
> are enthused around here.
I hope we can get the letters going, though... that's what will
get Paramount's attention. If anyone missed this the first time and
is interested in writing, send me some mail and I'll be glad to
give you the address. Try to remember that for every letter these
people get, they are assuming there are thousands of people who feel
the same way you do, but are just too apathetic to write. If half
the list wrote to Paramount in favor of Holdsworth, I'd bet money
that we'd see him on the show next season (or on the new show, one).
As far as writing letters about _Road Games_ is concerned, the last
I heard was Ouij was looking up an address for Restless Records, and
Lynn had tried to call the number she had for them, but it wasn't the
right number or had been disconnected (right?). At any rate, I'm waiting
for one of you folks to head up that letter-writing campaign. I will
certainly be writing a letter (got my stamps and LJ-III ready!), but
I'm hoping someone else will organize the plan of action. :) Please
keep the discussion going on this... that's what we're here for, eh?
Jeff Preston
the Atavachron guy
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RESTLESS ADDRESS/PHONE NUMBER
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 11 May 92 08:53:40 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: RESTLESS ADDRESS/PHONE NUMBER
Does anyone out there have access to recent address/phone number information
for Restless. I suppose since the breakup of Enigma, they may have moved
their operations. I still plan to contact them to see if they've thought about
trying to obtain the ROAD GAMES master from Warner for CD reissue purposes.
-Lynn
< R. [as in Robert :^)] Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA >
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Subject: Childs / Letters
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 9 May 92 12:15:18 EDT
From: ouij%triples@Triples.Math.McGill.CA (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: Re: Childs / Letters
On May 9, 6:23am, atavachron@morekypr wrote:
}
> Date: Sat, 09 May 92 06:21:00 EDT
> From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet
> Subject: Childs / Letters
>
>
>
> >PS. Beaming Allan into the Enterprise lounge is a great idea! Many
> > are enthused around here.
side note. I belive that as much as possible, you should get
any TV station to play AH music. TV waves propage through the
universe ad infinitum. Somewhere in space, you can hear and
catch the original 1950 broadcasts. So I figure, if they hear
the opening strains of "Un Merry Go Round" or "Atavachron", life
organisms would hear it as a greeting from intelligent life elsewhere :-)
As far as the _ROAD GAMES_ letter writing campaign goes,
let us wait another another week, I want to speak to
people at both Restless and Warner Brothers to scope
out the situation. Then I will post the names/ phones/faxes/
address of the people we must assault.
Ouij
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Subject: Re: RESTLESS ADDRESS/PHONE NUMBER
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 11 May 92 12:57:08 EDT
From: ouij%triples@Triples.Math.McGill.CA (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: Re: RESTLESS ADDRESS/PHONE NUMBER
On May 11, 9:14am, atavachron@morekypr wrote:
}
> Date: Mon, 11 May 92 08:53:40 -0400
> From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
> Subject: RESTLESS ADDRESS/PHONE NUMBER
>
> Does anyone out there have access to recent address/phone number information
> for Restless. I suppose since the breakup of Enigma, they may have moved
> their operations. I still plan to contact them to see if they've thought
about
> trying to obtain the ROAD GAMES master from Warner for CD reissue purposes.
>
> -Lynn
>
> < R. [as in Robert :^)] Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
Hold for a another day. I posted a rather length message
to this group on saturday, [which I never saw back ] stating that
I had the numbers but wanted to contact them (Restless and
warner) to scope out the situation before posting
them to the list at large.
Ouij
> < Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
> < Brandeis University, Waltham, MA >
>
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: UK
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 12 May 92 09:12:01 EDT
From: lotus!"LDBVAX!DLANE "@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: UK
With regards to The Discography:
> I.O.U. Enigma (CD reissue)
Is this available again? Enigma had gone belly-up, last I heard.
IOU was originally released as an LP on IOU records, and had a black
cover. I still never got around to picking up the CD.
[...]
> U.K. U.K. E'G
> U.K. Road Test ? ? ?
"Road Test" is a bootleg, recorded in Cleveland during 1978. It has
excellent sound quality, and can usually be found at record collector's
shows. It's from some Italian label. There is another excellent bootleg
from the '78 tour, "Paradise Lost", recorded 7/11/78 at the Paradise Theater
in Boston. Back in '78, I had an 8-track recorder, and managed to record
that show from the radio. I still have the tape, but I can't play it. The
CD leaves off the instrumental "Forever Until Sunday", which later showed
up on Bruford's "One Of A Kind" album. They also played several tracks from
"Danger Money", which did not feature Holdsworth and Bruford when it came out.
They apparently hadn't finished writing the encore of "Caesar's Palace Blues",
because some of the verses have Wetton singing "moooo waaah ahhh" instead of
the words.
If there's any interest, I can get more info.
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Subject: I.O.U. (was: UK)
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 12 May 92 12:52:20 CDT
From: Paul Heroy
Subject: I.O.U. (was: UK)
>With regards to The Discography:
>
>> I.O.U. Enigma (CD reissue)
>
>Is this available again? Enigma had gone belly-up, last I heard.
>IOU was originally released as an LP on IOU records, and had a black
>cover. I still never got around to picking up the CD.
I saw I.O.U. on CD in the store a week ago, with the other stuff on the
Restless label....
Paul
heroy@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: I.O.U. / U.K.
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 13 May 92 01:10:24 EDT
From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: I.O.U. / U.K.
>Date: Tue, 12 May 92 09:12:01 EDT
>From: lotus!"LDBVAX!DLANE "@uunet.UU.NET
>Subject: UK
>With regards to The Discography:
>> I.O.U. Enigma (CD reissue)
>Is this available again? Enigma had gone belly-up, last I heard.
>IOU was originally released as an LP on IOU records, and had a black
>cover. I still never got around to picking up the CD.
Yes, Enigma filed for bankruptcy sometime ago, but as Paul Heroy
stated (and Chris DeRobertis before that), it appears that Restless
has picked up those releases. This also led to some speculation that
maybe Restless might be persuaded to persue securing the rights to
_Road Games_ from Warner Brothers, thus being even closer to having
the entire Holdsworth catalog (that's what the letter-writing talk
is about, if you've seen any of that).
The original _I.O.U._ LP I bought from an advertisement in Guitar
Player (I think... man, that was a *long* time ago) has the solid
black cover w/gold print, and was on Luna Crack records (catalog #
AH-100). The Enigma release looks the same except the cover is solid
red w/grey or silver print. It has been released on CD... I'll try to
remember to get you a catalog number if you want it.
>> U.K. U.K. E'G
>> U.K. Road Test ? ? ?
>"Road Test" is a bootleg, recorded in Cleveland during 1978. It has
>excellent sound quality, and can usually be found at record collector's
>shows. It's from some Italian label. There is another excellent bootleg
>from the '78 tour, "Paradise Lost", recorded 7/11/78 at the Paradise Theater
>in Boston. Back in '78, I had an 8-track recorder, and managed to record
>that show from the radio. I still have the tape, but I can't play it. The
>CD leaves off the instrumental "Forever Until Sunday", which later showed
>up on Bruford's "One Of A Kind" album. They also played several tracks from
>"Danger Money", which did not feature Holdsworth and Bruford when it came out.
>They apparently hadn't finished writing the encore of "Caesar's Palace Blues",
>because some of the verses have Wetton singing "moooo waaah ahhh" instead of
>the words.
I've only recently become aware of both of these, but only know of
a source for _Road Test_ . I haven't ordered it yet because I'm still
grappling with the moral implications... I recently got to thinking
about what one of the other Atavachron members was saying about bootlegs
and Holdsworth's bad luck with contracts and deals. I still think he
had some bad representation at the time, but sometimes you don't know
you've been ripped off until it's too late. I hope Merlin Co. is doing
a better job for him.
Jeff Preston
(the Atavachron guy)
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: UK boots
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 13 May 92 15:16:12 EDT
From: lotus!"LDBVAX!DLANE "@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: UK boots
the Atavachron Guy PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet wrote:
[...]
> Yes, Enigma filed for bankruptcy sometime ago, but as Paul Heroy
>stated (and Chris DeRobertis before that), it appears that Restless
>has picked up those releases. This also led to some speculation that
>maybe Restless might be persuaded to persue securing the rights to
>_Road Games_ from Warner Brothers, thus being even closer to having
>the entire Holdsworth catalog (that's what the letter-writing talk
>is about, if you've seen any of that).
No, I haven't. I just got on the list yesterday, so I'm not up
on all this info. If somebody could summarize, I'd appreciate it.
[discussion of the "Road Test" and "Paradise Lost" UK bootlegs]
> I've only recently become aware of both of these, but only know of
>a source for _Road Test_ . I haven't ordered it yet because I'm still
>grappling with the moral implications... I recently got to thinking
>about what one of the other Atavachron members was saying about bootlegs
>and Holdsworth's bad luck with contracts and deals. I still think he
>had some bad representation at the time, but sometimes you don't know
>you've been ripped off until it's too late. I hope Merlin Co. is doing
>a better job for him.
My $.02 on the moral dilemma: Go ahead and buy it. Who is harmed?
It sounds like you already own every available legit piece of AH
material that you've been able to find; I know I do. So it's not
like you buy a bootleg and then don't bother to pick up the other
stuff from which AH would get royalties. The only one losing money
when *I* buy a bootleg is *me*. I think there are other bigger
factors that have contributed to his contractual bad luck more than
this. First of all his music. Is it any surprise that his music
doesn't sell like Paula Abdul's? If he's so concerned about making
money, why doesn't he get a perm, slap some spandex on his bum and join
Whitesnake, like a certain guitar prostitute that comes to mind. Or,
he could just "dumb down" his music, like Joe Satriani does. Another
factor is the SynthAxe. Personally, I don't care what the hell
the hardware he's using might be, for instance I like "Heart In My Song"
a whole lot, but he sure alienated a lot of Guitar Weenies* when he started
using the SynthAxe. So, if you're a fanatical collector of Holdsworth
music, you should just go ahead and buy the boots.
[*Guitar Weenie: a male, usually aged 18-30 with
a tendency to shout "whooo!" and "do it!" at
concerts during all of the solos.]
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: boots
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 15 May 92 13:44:08 PDT
From: malcolm@yuba.wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: boots
Dave Lane (dlane@ldbvax.lotus.COM) said:
>My $.02 on the moral dilemma: Go ahead and buy it. Who is harmed?
>It sounds like you already own every available legit piece of AH
>material that you've been able to find; I know I do. So it's not
>like you buy a bootleg and then don't bother to pick up the other
>stuff from which AH would get royalties. The only one losing money
>when *I* buy a bootleg is *me*.
I have a similar rationalization. But it still bothers me that someone is
profiting off the boots even though I don't see it as directly depriving
Allan of income. And the prices of typical boots is absurd - there must be
a huge profit in it for the people that press 1000 for a couple $ each and
sell them for $20-$40 per cd. Sure there's a bunch of middlemen involved.
But the cds in local stores sell for about $39 per disc and at that price
total profit for a pressing of 1000 could be something like $36,000. I know
this isn't accounting for shipping and maybe other hidden costs, but the
point is that people are making some big bucks off the stuff. Big BUCK$.
And the people who are raking in the money are doing so by exploiting the
artists we love even if they aren't directly depriving them of income by
selling a non-official product that would be be sold by the artist's label.
Robert Fripp wrote an interesting and perhaps somewhat contradictory article
on bootlegging back in the early 80s. I have a copy online if anyone wants
to read it. I don't totally agree with his position. He does attempt to
see both sides of it and seems to have some respect for the amateur taper,
but his philosophy is that live music is for the moment and should be a unique
experience that one has once and savors. He commented that trying to
experience it again is like trying to get your virginity back. I think that
was directed more at people who actually tape shows - and I think his comments
about the taper being distracted from active listing is valid. But I don't
see that applying to my interest in experiencing live Holdsworth or Crimson
shows that I never had the chance to see live. I think the contrast between
Fripp's opinions and those of the Greatful Dead and the Radiators (who
both permit live taping as long as it's not for profit) is a very interesting
one. I'm inclined to think that the Dead's philosophy of sharing their
music has greatly contributed to their huge success.
My personal philosphy is to trade live tapes - never for profit - I just
exchange a tape of a live show or boot for something else I'm interested in.
Many of the tapes I've traded were never pressed on boots and no one profits
except from enjoying the music. This way I don't directly support bootleggers.
I think I've bought 3 bootlegs in 12 years of collecting live shows and I
now have a collection of about 200+ shows, many of which were never on
bootleg vinyl or cd and won't be. This is why I prefer to call them "live
tapes and rarities" instead of boots. Some of the recordings I have came
directly from the artists and the artists are happy to share them so it's
debatable if they are illicit or illegal. Many of the bands no longer exist
anymore and I doubt they'd be offended by someone trading a performance of
them 22 years ago.
About this ROAD GAMES re-issue campaign - as I was browsing through a Rhino
catalog I was surprised at the diversity of the material that Rhino has
re-issued. It appears they've bought rights from various artists and labels
as a main foundation of their business. If the other ideas don't pan out
maybe some letter or petition campaign directed at Rhino might do something.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Welcome to Atavachron!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 15 May 92 21:29:42 +0100
From: chrisley@csli.stanford.edu
Subject: Welcome to Atavachron!
About the discography...
First of all, I think we should come up with a term other than "guest
performer" for Allan's stints as full-fledged members of bands...
As a guest performer:
I would add:
Igginbottom's Wrench Igginbottom's Wrench
UK Paradise Lost
UK In The Dead of Night
These last two are boots of the same Boston '78 show, on CD.
There is also a tape of a UK show at Penn's landing, which Allan is
on.
Ronald L. Chrisley New College
chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Oxford OX1 3BN
Tel: +44 865 279555 (messages) United Kingdom
Yes, that's my complete address!
If I never replied to your message, I probably didn't receive it...
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Truth In Shredding
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 18 May 92 16:18:54 EDT
From: lotus!"CRD!David_Lane@LOTUS"@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Truth In Shredding
Thanks for tipping me off to the existence of "Truth In Shredding".
I'd never heard of it until I joined this list, now I own a copy!
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Dave Lane, Lotus Development Corp.
dlane@ldbvax.lotus.com
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: The latest word from The Merlin Company
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 19 May 92 03:09:56 EDT
From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: The latest word from The Merlin Company
Allan's new release has been set back at least another 30 days, it
seems. Apparently, the European tour had a few dates added to it, and
this has delayed the re-mix. I was told by the secretary at Merlin
that they would have better information for me around June 15th, so
I'll give them a call then. It looks like late-June or early-July
will be the soonest we'll see the new album.
As of now, there are no live dates planned until after the album
has been released.
Jeff Preston
(the Atavachron guy)
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 19 May 92 08:44:00 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
> Allan's new release has been set back at least another 30 days, it
>seems...
>
> Jeff Preston
Jeff,
Do we know what the lineup on the new album is? I was particularly curious to
know whether we'll be hearing Gary or Chad on drums.
-Lynn
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 19 May 92 09:11:32 EST
From: preston@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
>Date: Tue, 19 May 92 08:44:00 -0400
>From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
>Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
>Do we know what the lineup on the new album is? I was particularly curious to
>know whether we'll be hearing Gary or Chad on drums.
>-Lynn
I'd be surprised if he didn't have both on the album, but I expect
Wackerman to be featured more prominently than in the past... just a
personal feeling, that one. I think he and Chad are really starting to
find a common point in their playing, and _Forty Reasons_ really shows
what Wackerman is capable of, composition-wise. Thta's something else
I'd be expecting - at least 2-3 Wackerman tunes on this new one. I'm
going out on a limb here, doing my Kreskin act (heh), but there's was
a super good vibe between them at the show I saw last year, and Allan's
total involvement in Chad's solo release leads me to believe that there
will be some reciprocation in the "guest artist" department.
Still offering the address for Paramount to all you people who would
like to help Mr. Holdsworth get a shameless plug on the #1 syndicated
television show in the U.S. (which has passed even Monday Night Football
in ratings in some markets!) - Star Trek: The Next Generation. All we
need is some people who want to write a simple letter. Doesn't Allan
deserve that from *us*?
And... still waiting on that Restless information. Rumor has it that
Ouij is working, working, working... on something. Will he tell us what
it is? :)
Jeff Preston
(the Atavachron guy)
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: RE: Truth In Shredding
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 19 May 92 09:11:09 EDT
From: lotus!"CRD!David_Lane@LOTUS"@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Re: RE: Truth In Shredding
rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu wrote:
[this was me]
>>Thanks for tipping me off to the existence of "Truth In Shredding".
>>I'd never heard of it until I joined this list, now I own a copy!
>So how do you like it? There was some discussion regarding this
>recording in rec.music.makers. I liked the CD, but Jeff Preston
>says it does nothing for him. What do you think?
Well, I'm on my 3rd listen right now, and I'd have to give it
an "ehh". There's nothing really extraordinary about it, just
unimaginative guitar-oriented fusion. All of the superlatives
quoted on the cover should have been a tip-off: "relentless,
thrill-a-minute, staggering!". More or less the type of stuff
you'd expect from a Steve Morse, Joe Satriani, Stu Hamm or a
Jeff Berlin if you gave them creative control.
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dlane@ldbvax.lotus.com
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Gary or Chad
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 19 May 92 11:27:37 EDT
From: lotus!"CRD!David_Lane@LOTUS"@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Gary or Chad
> Do we know what the lineup on the new album is? I was particularly curious to
> know whether we'll be hearing Gary or Chad on drums.
What about Vinnie?
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Lotus Development Corp.
dlane@ldbvax.lotus.com
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Truth In Shredding
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 19 May 92 14:15:54 EDT
From: lotus!"CRD!David_Lane@LOTUS"@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Re: Truth In Shredding
> What is it? I've just joined...
From the liner notes it would seem to be a fairly boring
Frank Gambale album for which Holdsworth was brought
in to provide some overdubbed solos. It features compositions
by Chick Corea, Randy Brecker, Wayne Shorter and Michael
Brecker, but none of these guys appear on the album.
Truth In Shredding
Legato 1004-B
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dlane@ldbvax.lotus.com
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Forty Reasons for Aesthetics
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 19 May 92 17:12:25 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Forty Reasons for Aesthetics
Hmmm, how many of you really found Forty Reasons all that interesting.
I thought that the second tune, You Came Along, to be very well put
together. The improv'd tunes were cool, to me, as are all Holdsworth /
Wackerman free-for-all duets (especially those live). However, I found
the rest fo the material lacking in depth. Nice for a listen or two,
but no more. I guess evaluating music with "Where Is One", "Sand",
"Shallow Seas", "The UnMerryGoRound", "Looking Glass", and "Atavachron"
as references of quality affect my sense of aesthetics.
Don't take me as being negative, please!
Regards,
Elliot Freedman
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: UK boots; Igginbottom's Wrench
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 20 May 92 09:29:29 +0100
From: chrisley@csli.stanford.edu
Subject: UK boots; Igginbottom's Wrench
Some people (OK, a person) asked about some things I mentioned before,
and suggested that I post the responses to the list.
[*Moderator's note: At the request of my employer, I have been asked
to return any mail sent to Atavachron that specifically solicits or
gives sources for illicit materials. Since the case could be made that
Morehead State University is condoning illegal activity by distributing
such requests, we must err on the side of caution, and not take an
active part in distributing these requests. That does not mean that
subjective discussions of recordings should not be sent here, but any
postings asking for unauthorized materials, or sources of such, or
informing the list of actual sources for such CANNOT be accepted, and
will be returned to the sender. This posting has consequently been
edited at the request of the original sender. --J.P.]
Here's some info about Igginbottom's Wrench:
1972
Allan Holdsworth: guitar, vocal
Steve Robinson: gtrs
Dave Freeman: bass
Mickey Skelley: vocals
Hope that helps...
Ronald L. Chrisley New College
chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Oxford OX1 3BN
Tel: +44 865 279555 (messages) United Kingdom
Yes, that's my complete address!
If I never replied to your message, I probably didn't receive it...
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Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 20 May 92 11:19:14 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
Have you found out what is the new title of the album? When will the
new tour dates be available?
Eddie
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Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
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From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
I doubt Gary Husband will be on drums, now that he's part of Level 42.
What a pity, cos I really liked his unique style and sound. I think the new
lineup will very probably be Steve Hunt on keyboards, Chad Wackerman on drums,
and there's a 50/50 chance that Jimmy Johnson will be back on bass (he's the
best!).
Eddie
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Subject: Re: RE: Truth In Shredding
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 20 May 92 11:27:17 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: RE: Truth In Shredding
You guys bought Truth in Shredding thinking it was an Allan Holdsworth
album... far from it, it wasn't even a "collaboration!"
See, it was a "Mike Varney Project" (look at the MVP logo on the cover)
in which he invited sweepmiester Frank Gamble to record some covers, and Allan
just happens to "help out" Frank in the solo trade-offs. They didn't even
record those trade-offs live - the band and Frank recorded most of the tracks
live, but Allan's parts were later dubbed on, that's why TIS didn't sound like
what you expected.
Eddie
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Subject: Re: Forty Reasons for Aesthetics
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 20 May 92 11:32:29 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: Forty Reasons for Aesthetics
I totally agree with Elliot...
After seeing the show of Allan and Chad, and having all the Holdsworth
CDs in my collection already, I went out and bought Forty Reasons cos that's
the only new recordings with Allan on it out there, but I was disappointed.
The synth sounds were cheezy, the materials lack the spark of emotion... all in
all a pretty "dead" recording. Pretty good for a drummer, but his tunes just
pale when compared to what we're used to (good guitar music!)
Eddie
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 21 May 92 08:41:43 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
>From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
>Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
>
> I doubt Gary Husband will be on drums, now that he's part of Level 42.
>What a pity, cos I really liked his unique style and sound. I think the new
>lineup will very probably be Steve Hunt on keyboards, Chad Wackerman on drums,
>and there's a 50/50 chance that Jimmy Johnson will be back on bass (he's the
>best!).
> Eddie
How long has Husband been with Level 42? I guess I had the impression
[probably a false one :)] that he had been with them for awhile.
-Lynn
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Subject: Re: Forty Reasons for Aesthetics
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 20 May 92 23:46:50 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Forty Reasons for Aesthetics
I rather enjoyed "Forty Reasons", specifically "Holiday Insane", "You Came
Along", the title track, "Quiet Life" and some of the improvs, but for the
most part, the album isn't up to par to a standard Holdsworth release. Worth
getting, though.
By the way, there is a CD with Holdsworth playing Synthaxe as a guest:
Carl Verheyen Group: No Borders : Chase Music Group CMD 8012
Mr. Verheyen, as evidenced by the title track of "Forty Reasons", has
co-written and written a number of pieces of music by the same guys.
Jim Cox is also on this CD. It's not bad, in fact surprisingly good.
It took me a bit to warm up to it. Again, Verheyen is not Holdsworth,
but he's got his own bag of wide-intervals and I like it.
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Subject: CARL VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 21 May 92 12:18:30 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: CARL VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
> By the way, there is a CD with Holdsworth playing Synthaxe as a guest:
>
> Carl Verheyen Group: No Borders : Chase Music Group CMD 8012
How much playing does Holdsworth do on this recording? Does he appear on only
one or a couple tracks, or is he featured throughout?
-Lynn
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Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 21 May 92 16:10:52 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Gary debuted on the latest Level 42 album "Guaranteed" as the drummer of
the band. Due to the death of their guitarist, Allan Holdsworth was invited to
record the guitar tracks with the band, but I don't think Allan toured with them
at all. I can't stand Level 42's material, and most of the guitar tracks on
"Guaranteed" were just rhythm, there were VERY FEW tracks with Allan's solo.
What a waste of talent...
"Guaranteed" was released in the States earlier this year, around Feb.
or March. However, it was released in Europe last year.
Eddie
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: _Forty Reasons_
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 12:24 CDT
From:
Subject: _Forty Reasons_
Just my $.000002 worth about _Forty Reasons_:
I like it as much as anything he's done since ... oh, say the stuff with
Bruford. "Holiday Insane" is a fusion masterpiece, IMHO. This song could
stand on its own even without the *fabulous* extended solo that A.H. gives
after the keyboard interplay. I also like the keyboard work -- especially
the cheesy old B-2. :*)
I haven't heard all of his stuff, but he seems to be playing "freer"
here than on anything else I can think of. He and Wackerman really seem to
be comfortable with each other and it shows. I even enjoy the strange
little interludes.
I guess I just don't see the weaknesses that some others have mentioned.
Oh well ...
bye,
cmv
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 22 May 1992 00:15:42 -0400
From: wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Hey, is the Holdsworth Mailing List available in digest format
by any chance? Mail flow is getting a little heavy.
Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
[*Moderator's note: Why don't we put it to a vote? A digest format
was how we started Atavachron, but I had several complaints that
replies to questions were slow in coming, so I switched to the mail
reflector-type arrangement. Of course now that the subscribership
and the traffic are both up, that might not be a problem. I'm open
to either method, but only one method - not both - since I still
have to do the list manually. To VOTE, send your preference (i.e.
if you want the digest format, send "DIGEST", if you like things
the way they are, send the word "MAIL") via e-mail to:
preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu
... by 11:59 p.m. 5/31/92. Results will be tabulated that night and
the list will be distributed by the majority-preferred method starting
6/1/92. Votes sent to the ATAVACHRON address will NOT be counted, and
only current list subscribers may vote. One vote per subscriber. Void
where prohibited, etc. :) --J.P. ]
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 22 May 1992 18:49:10 -0400
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Holdsworth apparantly did do a few shows with them in the London area.
I kept hoping that Mark King & him would get a version of "Panic Station"
together!
Elliot E. Freedman
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Lineup for Reckless release!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 22 May 92 15:53:42 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Lineup for Reckless release!
Ouij, you might do us a favor and confirm my French translation of
the recent French Guitarist magazines interview with Holdsworth which...
.....to my best Francais... ...said that his old guard Johnson & Husband
did some tunes with Steve Hunt on Keyboards and that both Wackerman &
Coliauta (sp) have appearances.
Regards,
Elliot E. Freedman
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Catching up
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 23 May 92 15:14:20 EDT
From: PRESTON@morekypr
Subject: Catching up
>Date: Wed, 20 May 92 11:21:26 PDT
>From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
>Subject: Re: The latest word from The Merlin Company
> I doubt Gary Husband will be on drums, now that he's part of Level 42.
>What a pity, cos I really liked his unique style and sound. I think the new
>lineup will very probably be Steve Hunt on keyboards, Chad Wackerman on drums,
>and there's a 50/50 chance that Jimmy Johnson will be back on bass (he's the
>best!).
I think Lynn Rardin was right when he stated that Husband has been
playing with Level 42 for a while. From what I remember from the Modern
Drummer magazine interview last fall (can't find my copy... rats!), it
seems that Husband prefers to live in England and only tours with
Holdsworth whenever he has European dates. I don't know if this was
the arrangement on this last European tour or not. Holdsworth seems to
do a lot of sporadic mini-tours here in North America, and it's not
practical for Husband to be involved in those, although he's been able
to make appearances on the albums. I'd say a lot of it is schedule
arrangement on the part of all involved. Fortunately, Mr. Holdsworth
knows a lot of talented musicians to step in when others can't make the
dates.
>Date: Wed, 20 May 92 23:46:50 CDT
>From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
>Subject: Re: Forty Reasons for Aesthetics
>I rather enjoyed "Forty Reasons", specifically "Holiday Insane", "You Came
>Along", the title track, "Quiet Life" and some of the improvs, but for the
>most part, the album isn't up to par to a standard Holdsworth release. Worth
>getting, though.
I would have bought the CD for "Holiday Insane" alone. :)
> By the way, there is a CD with Holdsworth playing Synthaxe as a guest:
> Carl Verheyen Group: No Borders : Chase Music Group CMD 8012
> Mr. Verheyen, as evidenced by the title track of "Forty Reasons", has
> co-written and written a number of pieces of music by the same guys.
> Jim Cox is also on this CD. It's not bad, in fact surprisingly good.
> It took me a bit to warm up to it. Again, Verheyen is not Holdsworth,
> but he's got his own bag of wide-intervals and I like it.
Thanks for the addition to the discography. I want to second the request
for information about how much Holdsworth played on this one.
> Gary debuted on the latest Level 42 album "Guaranteed" as the drummer of
>the band. Due to the death of their guitarist, Allan Holdsworth was invited to
>record the guitar tracks with the band, but I don't think Allan toured with the
>at all. I can't stand Level 42's material, and most of the guitar tracks on
>"Guaranteed" were just rhythm, there were VERY FEW tracks with Allan's solo.
I don't have enough Level 42 material to dispute your assertion that
_Guaranteed_ is Husband's first recorded appearance with Level 42, but I'm
certain he was playing live dates with them for at least a year before
that album came out, maybe longer. And as Elliot Freedman said recently,
Allan *did* appear with Level 42 for several dates in Europe prior to
the release of the album. According to the same Modern Drummer interview
with Gary Husband, Holdsworth had other commitments, and has to decline
a longer tour of Europe and the U.S.
I greatly enjoyed _Guaranteed_ , but I've been accused of having a
skewed sense of taste. :) I think it's much better than most (if not
all) of the music I've heard within this genre (dance-pop?). Those
rhythm tracks you refer to are probably the seven cuts that didn't
feature Holdsworth at all, but had Dominic Miller on guitar instead.
Considering the rhythmic nature of the material, I thought it was a
good choice to *not* feature Allan's playing too heavily, since that
wouldn have drawn too much attention away from the focus of this kind
of material: voice, bass and drums. After all, he was a "guest" on the
album - not intended to be the Main Event. :) I do like what he did,
when he did it, though he was often mixed a bit low.
> "Guaranteed" was released in the States earlier this year, around Feb.
>or March. However, it was released in Europe last year.
It was also released in Canada about the same time as in Europe...
that's how I got my copy before Christmas.
>Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 12:24 CDT
>From:
>Subject: _Forty Reasons_
> Just my $.000002 worth about _Forty Reasons_:
I'd second those thoughts, cmv, but I don't want to bore anyone
again with another of my rants about this album... it's not for everyone
(I've come to expect that with just about anything where Holdsworth's
involved - there's no pleasing all the fans all of the time, right?),
but for the people it reaches... man, does it *REACH*! :)
Jeff Preston
(the Atavachron guy)
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: CHAD'S TV GIG
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 23 May 92 16:34:43 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: CHAD'S TV GIG
I haven't seen anyone mention Chad Wackerman's gig on the Dennis Miller show.
Every once in awhile [but too rarely, in my opinion :)] you get to hear the
band (David Goldblatt, Chad, Steve Tavaglione, James Harrah and Doug Lunn) play
some pretty good stuff before or after commercials. I think I preferred what
was going on with the band when Andy Summers (formerly of The Police) was the
musical director. Things are a bit less exciting since Goldblatt took over.
During the first few weeks of the show, they even played some material from
FORTY REASONS!
-Lynn Rardin
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Catching up
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sun, 24 May 92 01:30:51 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: Catching up
From the pictures included in the album Guaranteed, Allan seemed to be
PART OF the band, not a guest.
Eddie
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: AH ON VERHEYEN'S ALBUM
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sun, 24 May 92 02:02:33 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: AH ON VERHEYEN'S ALBUM
I checked my trusty copy of the Schwann catalog for Carl Verheyen's NO
BORDERS. They indicate that Holdsworth plays on only one cut. :( How is the
rest of the album? Is it worth purchasing based on the tracks where AH
doesn't play?
-Lynn
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Restless Records / WardenCliff tower
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 25 May 92 17:01:20 EDT
From: ouij%triples@Triples.Math.McGill.CA (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: Restless Records / WardenCliff tower
I just received the Restless records 1992 catalogue
in which they list the following AH albums
WardenCliff Tower, ATAVACHRON, Metal Fatigue, IOU
Secrets and Sand.
Can someone fill me in what WardenCliff Tower is.
My interpolation from the catalogue numners is
that it must be some obscure release since it has
the oldest number.
If Restless does not give me any contact by
tommorrow, we then start THE DEFINITIVE LETTER BOMBING CAMPAIGN.
Ouij
BTW, all titles cost 13.98 USD for CD, 99.8 cassete
available from Restless.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Restless Records / WardenCliff tower
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Mon, 25 May 92 22:47:40 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: Restless Records / WardenCliff tower
That's weird, when I saw the Holdsworth reissues from Restless, I saw
all the releases from Engima and "Sand" but not WardenCliff Tower. I'd suppose
that WardenCliff Tower is the new album, but if it's available already, it must
be some obscure reissue then. Can you find out if WardenCliff Tower is already
available from Restless, and if so, how to order it by mail? Thanks.
Eddie
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Restless Records Info
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 26 May 92 13:05:13 EDT
From: ouij%triples@Triples.Math.McGill.CA (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: Restless Records Info
a) ROAD GAMES: eestless records informs me that they are
pursuing the idea of adding ROAD GAMES to their
collection. The current Stumbling block is
Warner brothers who are not returning calls
at the moment (surprise surprise). So I
was promised an update in two weeks with the
powers that be.
So please, nobody bother them about ROAD GAMES
I'll keep you guys posted.
b) Ordering CD's and stuff.
213-957 4357
4355 {fax}
I don't know if they do retail. I think that the
catalogue I have is meant for retailers (ie, Hello, I would
like to purchase 1000 copies), but it doesn't hurt for
someone to call and find out.
Here are their catalogue numbers
WARDENCLIFF TOWER: 72537
ATAVACHRON : 72561
METAL FATIGUE : 72562
IOU : 72563
SECRETS : 72573
SAND : 72539
More as it happens.
Ouij
who is leaving for downtown to find a copy
of the french Guitare article.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RESTLESSS AND MAIL ORDER (NOT)
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 26 May 92 18:38:28 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: RESTLESSS AND MAIL ORDER (NOT)
I gave Restless a call this afternoon and was told that they don't do mail
order--yet. The woman I spoke to said that they would offer this service
sometime in the future.
-Lynn
< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA >
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 26 May 92 17:58:56 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Allan Holdsworth did tour with Level 42 on their massive two-week gig at the
Hammersmith Odeon in London, but that was it.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: AH ON VERHEYEN'S ALBUM
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 26 May 92 18:07:08 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: AH ON VERHEYEN'S ALBUM
Hi. I really liked "6.1", "Highland Shuffle", "Conveyor Belt" and "Adult
Chords". "Gretchen's Theme" of course, was the Holdsworth spot, but the rest
of it seemed kind of, um, uneven. It's a good first effort, that's for sure.
I rather enjoyed it.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: CARL VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Tue, 26 May 92 17:57:22 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: CARL VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
He just appears on the last song of that one. It's kind of a hard to find
disc, however, given that a lot of the people in this mailing list seem to
only dig true-blue "real" Holdsworth projects, they probably won't like it.
It seems to be that the Verheyen disc was very Steve Morse influenced in
certain areas. Verheyen also has other guitaristic talents that Holdsworth
has never shown in evidence (e.g. convincing rockabilly/country chops like
Verheyen has), and Verheyen also does a mean fusion thing, too. It's
allright.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: True-blue?
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 09:46:56 EST
From: preston@morekypr.bitnet
Subject: True-blue?
>Date: Tue, 26 May 92 17:57:22 CDT
>From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
>Subject: Re: CARL VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
>He just appears on the last song of that one. It's kind of a hard to find
>disc, however, given that a lot of the people in this mailing list seem to
>only dig true-blue "real" Holdsworth projects, they probably won't like it.
>It seems to be that the Verheyen disc was very Steve Morse influenced in
>certain areas. Verheyen also has other guitaristic talents that Holdsworth
>has never shown in evidence (e.g. convincing rockabilly/country chops like
>Verheyen has), and Verheyen also does a mean fusion thing, too. It's
>allright.
Whoa, pardner... we're not all die-hards here. :) In fact, I myself
have several Dregs albums (and a couple of Morse's solo releases, too).
This sounds very intriguing to me now - even moreso than a few days ago.
Can you possibly point us to a possible mail-order source? Is Chase
Music Group domestic? Or is it possible it's an offshoot of CMP Records
(some associative logic here - CMP = possibly "Chase Music Productions",
etc.)?
Jeff Preston
(the Atavachron guy)
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: True-blue?
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 10:10:32 EDT
From: ouij%triples@Triples.Math.McGill.CA (Luigi Perrotta)
Subject: Re: True-blue?
On May 27, 9:56am, atavachron%MOREKYPR.bitnet@VM1.MCGILL.CA wrote:
}
>
> Date: Wed, 27 May 92 09:46:56 EST
> From: preston@morekypr.bitnet
> Subject: True-blue?
>
> >Date: Tue, 26 May 92 17:57:22 CDT
> >From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
> >Subject: Re: CARL VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
>
> >He just appears on the last song of that one. It's kind of a hard to find
> >disc, however, given that a lot of the people in this mailing list seem to
> >only dig true-blue "real" Holdsworth projects, they probably won't like it.
> >It seems to be that the Verheyen disc was very Steve Morse influenced in
> >certain areas. Verheyen also has other guitaristic talents that Holdsworth
> >has never shown in evidence (e.g. convincing rockabilly/country chops like
> >Verheyen has), and Verheyen also does a mean fusion thing, too. It's
> >allright.
>
> Whoa, pardner... we're not all die-hards here. :) In fact, I myself
> have several Dregs albums (and a couple of Morse's solo releases, too).
> This sounds very intriguing to me now - even moreso than a few days ago.
> Can you possibly point us to a possible mail-order source? Is Chase
> Music Group domestic? Or is it possible it's an offshoot of CMP Records
> (some associative logic here - CMP = possibly "Chase Music Productions",
> etc.)?
I like jeff must run out and listen to the CD in question.
a) if you can find a copy of Steve Morse's 1986 release "Stand UP",
there is a track entitled "English Rancher" in which AH does his
24th century rockabilly solo. Don't worry if the
album doesn't mention AH's name. Mine didn't and I didn't find
out till a year later. (the cassettes supposedly have his name
listed.) Note you will not find the CD.
I allways wished that there were Bootlegs of the shows that IOU
and the Dregs did together. What a weird evening that would have
been. sigh....
>
> Jeff Preston
> (the Atavachron guy)
>
>
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: RE: True-blue?
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 10:08:48 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: RE: True-blue?
>>He just appears on the last song of that one. It's kind of a hard to find
>>disc, however, given that a lot of the people in this mailing list seem to
>>only dig true-blue "real" Holdsworth projects, they probably won't like it.
>>It seems to be that the Verheyen disc was very Steve Morse influenced in
>>certain areas. Verheyen also has other guitaristic talents that Holdsworth
>>has never shown in evidence (e.g. convincing rockabilly/country chops like
>>Verheyen has), and Verheyen also does a mean fusion thing, too. It's
>>allright.
>
> Whoa, pardner... we're not all die-hards here. :) In fact, I myself
>have several Dregs albums (and a couple of Morse's solo releases, too).
>This sounds very intriguing to me now - even moreso than a few days ago.
>Can you possibly point us to a possible mail-order source? Is Chase
>Music Group domestic? Or is it possible it's an offshoot of CMP Records
>(some associative logic here - CMP = possibly "Chase Music Productions",
>etc.)?
I'd have to second that opinion, Jeff. I was sort of writing off Verheyen's
CD until I read the above comments. Unless someone else posts regarding
CMG, I'll try to remember to check where they're located tonight (I have two
other CDs on that label).
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 16:24:43 +0100
From: chrisley@csli.stanford.edu
Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 09:36:17 EDT
From: atavachron%morekypr.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Date: Tue, 26 May 92 17:58:56 CDT
>From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Allan Holdsworth did tour with Level 42 on their massive two-week gig at the
Hammersmith Odeon in London, but that was it.
By the way, I have a CD single from Level 42 that has two live tracks
on it, which feature Alan, I believe. If anyone wants it, it's $8
postpaid.
Ronald L. Chrisley New College
chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Oxford OX1 3BN
Tel: +44 865 279555 (messages) United Kingdom
Yes, that's my complete address!
If I never replied to your message, I probably didn't receive it...
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Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 16:24:43 +0100
From: chrisley@csli.stanford.edu
Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 09:36:17 EDT
From: atavachron%morekypr.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
Date: Tue, 26 May 92 17:58:56 CDT
>From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Allan Holdsworth did tour with Level 42 on their massive two-week gig at the
Hammersmith Odeon in London, but that was it.
By the way, I have a CD single from Level 42 that has two live tracks
on it, which feature Alan, I believe. If anyone wants it, it's $8
postpaid.
Ronald L. Chrisley New College
chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Oxford OX1 3BN
Tel: +44 865 279555 (messages) United Kingdom
Yes, that's my complete address!
If I never replied to your message, I probably didn't receive it...
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 17:28:59 -0400
From: rardin%orion.dnet@auriga
Subject: VERHEYEN'S _NO BORDERS_
I picked up a copy of Carl Verheyen's NO BORDERS today at Tower in Cambridge,
MA. Chase Music Group is located in California (P.O. Box 11178; Glendale, CA
91206). I don't see a phone number on the back or in the booklet. CMG isn't
listed in the Schwann catalog, so I can't tell you who distributes their
recordings. I haven't listened to the CD yet, so I can't comment on it at
this point...
-Lynn
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Wed, 27 May 92 17:52:08 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Die hards?!
No, not by any means die hards... Whats been on my CD player for
the most part of the last few weeks has been Andrea Marcelli's Silent
Will, David Torn's Cloud About Mercury, and Pat Metheney's Bright Sized
Life (which to me is of the same "attitude" as the AH IOU album, really
raw, flying trio music!).
How about the rest?
Regards
Elliot
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 00:34:18 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
Hmm. Haven't spinned any of mine Allan Holdsworth CDs for a while,
but I've been listening to a lot of Howard Shore. His score from "Naked Lunch"
was fantastic!
Eddie
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 1992 09:25 EST
From: "The fastest boat doesn't always win..."
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
I've been listening to Albert Marcoeur, Zamlarannama (Zamla), and Alain
Eckert Quartet, but I haven't been home that much.
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Subject: Re: True-blue?
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 00:31:44 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: True-blue?
The address on the back of the Carl Verheyen CD is as follows:
Manufactured and Distributed by Chase Music Group
P.O. Box 11178
Glendale, CA 91206
The copyright is dated 1988. I bought the disc in a chain record
store and found it in their "jazz" section. The CD has a sort of
pale green cover with a color photo of Verheyen playing a red
strat with his eyes closed. Typical guitar player pose. I like
the legato and winding lines of "Conveyor Belt".
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: True-blue?
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 00:37:07 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: True-blue?
Actually, with regards to "Stand Up" and "English Rancher".
The album was supposed* to have Allan Holdsworth do a guest spot on
that song. Unfortunately, for some reason the sync between the tape
that Allan supplied and Morse's equipment didn't lock up. Most
multi-track recording studios have methods whereby they can use a
phase-lock loop, or at the very least have an audible track where
things can be synced up. Holdsworth's tape didn't have the correct
syncing information and since his stuff arrived at the last minute,
they neglected to put his stuff on the track. The cassette version
contained Holdsworth's name, but not the LP. This information
comes from a friend who talked with Morse, as well as a recent
guitar magazine article on "Guest" musician situations.
BTW, "Stand Up" is a great album. I wish it could come out on
CD someday, but since "Industry Standard" isn't going to, I'm
not holding my breath. "English Rancher" is a great tune, too.
If any of you don't have Holdsworth's book, "Reaching for the
Uncommon Chord", you should. It's great. It's published through
21st Century Music Publications (Al Di Meola's music publishing
interest). If you need the address, just ask. Lots of photos
and transcriptions are included (wanna learn how to play "White
Line" or "Un Merry Go Round"? get it). I also have a transcription
for the song "Road Games" if anyone is interested.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: True-blue?
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 00:43:42 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: RE: True-blue?
By the way, there is a correspondence address:
Carl Verheyen Group
C/O CMG, P.O. Box 11178
Glendale, CA 91206
(Same address as the disc, really).
Musicians:
Carl Verheyen Electric/Acoustic 6 & 12 string guitars
Dave Marotta: Bass, Piccolo Bass
John Ferraro: Drums, Percussion, Legato Pipe Band Drum
Additional Musicians:
Brad Cole (ex-Tribal Tech): Keyboards
Jim Cox (Forty Reasons Band): Synth solos, B-3 Organ
Craig Copeland, Rick Riso, Naomi Star: Vocals on Conveyor Belt
(these vocals are more like a subtle chant in the coda, BTW, Craig
Copeland did the lead vocal on Holdsworth's "Endomorph")
Allan Holdsworth: Synthaxe on "Gretchen's Theme"
Carl Verheyen plays Fender and Norik Renson Guitars, SIT Strings,
Korg, Scholz R&D, ADA and Rocktron Signal Processing Gear.
(Holdsworth uses ADA and Rocktron stuff, too)
Recorded Spring, 1988 in Los Angeles, CA at Studio Masters, Saylor
Recording, Sounder Recording, and Front Page (YEAH!) Recording.
Engineered by Tim Jaquette, Tom McCauley, John Slattery and
BIFF VINCENT (another Holdsworth alumni)
Anyway, that's quite enough of that bit of information. Hope it helps.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Transcriptions!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 08:43:55 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Transcriptions!
I'd be interested in a list from everyone as to any AH transcriptions
that they had. Perhaps we can start trading them. I'll forwards
mine to *Atavachron* (the BBS, not the piece) tomorrow!
Elliot Freedman
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 15:02:21 PDT
From: malcolm@harirud.wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
Well, it seems a little off topic, but someone asked...
In the last week I've been listing to:
David Bedford, Brian Eno, Fred Frith's Guitar Solos, Funkadelic, Passion
Sources, Stevie Wonder, King Crimson, Dixie Dregs, Matching Mole, Pere Ubu,
Area (the italian one), Fela, Can, Fats Waller, Dr. John, Magma, Heldon,
Mahavishnu, Material, Massacre, Negativland, UK, Pink Floyd, the new Tom Waits
soundtrack, Hector Zazou, Cos, Mal Waldron, and probably a few others I've
forgotten.
So back to Allan, from the perspective of an old fan who's very into the
stuff with Soft Machine, Gong, UK and Bruford - but who started losing
interest around Road Games (I've since bought IOU and Metal Fatigue - I'm not
too fond of them) and who pretty much dislikes the synth axe stuff...
Where do I go from here? I'd like to check out some more recent works
by Allan or featuring him, but I've been let down a little by what I've
heard (even when seeing him live recently) so I'm hesitant to invest in
buying anything blind, unheard. I know I tend to be overly critical, even of
music I enjoy (but still find fault with), so please take my above comments
with that in mind. I'd still rather hear Holdsworth I "dislike" than listen
to the radio stations I have to choose from.
I've recently started thinking that part of my getting bored by Allan is
a lack of dissonance - I find that I've grown quite used to dissonance
in my music and realize this may be why I find some of Allan's music
a little boring in recent years - it sounds too nice!
Any suggestions of other material I should explore?
- malcolm@wrs.com
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Allan & Gordon Beck
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 09:20:54 PDT
From: mauryd@microsoft.com
Subject: Allan & Gordon Beck
Could someone give me a review of the Allan Holdsworth & Gordon Beck
album? I saw it in a store yesterday and almost picked it up but though
that I should find out what it's like first.
Thanks,
Maury Duchamp
mauryd@microsoft.com
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 19:12:13 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
How is Marcelli's "Silent Will"? I've been on the lookout for it, actually.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 19:26:16 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Can Holdsworth be heard*, however?
/
-Todd
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Transcriptions!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 19:25:47 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Transcriptions!
I've got transcriptions to:
The Abingdon Chasp
Fred
Home
Letters of Marque
Shallow Sea
Temporary Fault
Three Sheets To The Wind
Tokyo Dream
The Un-Merry Go 'Round
White Line
Road Games
Excerpts from: Where is One
Holdsworths' 1st Solo from Joshua
Chord sequences from:
Devil Take the Hindmost
The Things You See
Material Real
Metal Fatigue
Panic Station
Atavachron
And, last but not least:
More complete songs:
City Nights
Some more bits of the E Dorian thing in "In the Dead of Night"
That's it. Sources?
Music Technology, May 1987 (Holdsworth Cover Story)
Guitar World, May 1989
Guitar Player, August 1990
Guitar Player, March 1990
Guitar for the Practicing Musician, April, 1987
Allan Holdsworth, Reaching for the Uncommon Chord
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 21:07:38 -0400
From: barrett@quincy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
>From: mauryd@microsoft.com
>Could someone give me a review of the Allan Holdsworth & Gordon Beck
>album? I saw it in a store yesterday and almost picked it up but though
>that I should find out what it's like first.
If you mean "With a Heart in my Song", I have it. The first
few times I heard it, I thought it was really boring. Since then, it's
grown on me a bit. Keyboards are featured prominently; I think I just
don't like Gordon Beck's parts so much.
Dan
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 18:12:33 PDT
From: edju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter)
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
If you liked Atavachron and Sands, even Secrets, then I think
"With a Song in my Heart" is down your alley. Gordon Beck is a keyboard
player, so there's a lot of synth on the CD. There's a slightly different
version of "54 Terrance Duncan" on it too, which is pretty nice. The CD
also features solo pieces by Allan Holdsworth and Gordon Beck individually.
Personally I loved "Ain't No Grief."
The production is not too great, given that the soundscape was shaped
by only two musicians... but it's a better CD, in my opinion, than most of
the CDs where Allan "guested" on.
Eddie
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 1992 21:12:08 -0400
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
Firstly, there are a couple of discs with AH & GB.
The Things You See is cool in that one can see the development
of the IOU piece "The Things You See" from the three pieces on the
disc that feature three of the sections from that tune (verse, solo,
bridge). I found it also really beautiful to hear that AH chordal material
+ interpreted by GB.
The Sunbird album, with an ensemble is also pretty enjoyable, largely
GB's pieces -- the opening extended track is really nice.
The latest AH/GB disk has a few real high points for me. The opener
Equus (? or was it Equinox ?) has a great chord progression and lots
of twisty, windy solo lines, reminicient of Sand & Spokes.
The version of 21 Jump Street or 8999 Nelson Way or (damn! what was
that "address piece", the quiet one from Secrets)... Anyway, AH & GB
do a version of that there quiet piece (the 2nd on Secrets) which
features some nice swelled in chords by AH and a real sensitive solo
by GB.
The best track on the disk for me is Sundays which has an unreal
climbing chordal progression, full of dips and twists narrative
of (we're to assume) Holdsworths Sunday bike rides.
Enjoy.
Elliot Freedman
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: *unknown*
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 18:02:47 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Here is a summary of my collection of AH transcriptions:
The Guitar for the Pract... article Out In Left Field Award which features
snippets of the "Three Sheets..." solo and some hints on scale superimposition.
"Panic Station" (bass solo, though not the Guitar Player version, which I'd like
to see -- Jimmy Johnson interview issue ??).
Also the "Holdworthian Chords" article in GP that gives snippets of
"Material Real", "The Things You See (...)" and some others.
"Joshua" (solo) as published in GP.
"Road Games" (guitar & bass) as pub'd in Guitar for the... magazine.
Also, Vai's transciption of "Devil Take The..." solo (1st half),
"City Nights" (as was in yet another guitar magazine), + the Jeff Berlin
solo in "Water On The Brain, Pt. II" (Jeff Berlin GP articles).
If there were enough interest, we might consider consolidating our collections
and distributing them about the group. (?!)
Regards,
Elliot E. Freedman
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 21:10:54 -0400
From: barrett@quincy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
>From: malcolm@harirud.wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
>In the last week I've been listing to:
>David Bedford, Brian Eno, Fred Frith's Guitar Solos, Funkadelic, Passion
>Sources, Stevie Wonder, King Crimson, Dixie Dregs, Matching Mole, Pere Ubu,
>Area (the italian one), Fela, Can, Fats Waller, Dr. John, Magma, Heldon,
>Mahavishnu, Material, Massacre, Negativland, UK, Pink Floyd, the new Tom Waits
>soundtrack, Hector Zazou, Cos, Mal Waldron, and probably a few others I've
>forgotten.
I'm in heaven.... :-)
>...started losing interest around Road Games...
I like Road Games the best (better than the Gong stuff, for
example), for some perspective.
>Where do I go from here?
Some suggestions (non-Holdsworth): New Trolls "UT", Atoll's
"Musiciens Magiciens", and Art Zoid (since you said you like dissonance).
But judging from the scope of the groups you mentioned, you are likely
to be familiar with this stuff already....
Dan
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 29 May 92 13:08:23 +0100
From: Ronald L Chrisley
Subject: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Date: Thu, 28 May 92 19:26:16 CDT
>From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: GARY HUSBAND AND LEVL 42
Can Holdsworth be heard*, however?
Yes, he has at least one shost solo in Her Big Day, and 2 solos in The
Sun Goes Down.
Ronald L. Chrisley New College
chrisley@csli.stanford.edu Oxford OX1 3BN
Tel: +44 865 279555 (messages) United Kingdom
Yes, that's my complete address!
If I never replied to your message, I probably didn't receive it...
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Fri, 29 May 1992 10:26 EST
From: "Ray Jefferson - The PEAVEY of marine electronics..."
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
Some people asked about Alain Eckert. He is a guitarist who I think appeared
on a couple of Art Zoyd albums way back. The record is called the Alain Eckert
Quartet and is really, really hot jazz-rock-funk type stuff. Everybody smokes.
Unfortunately, according to a guy at a record store who knows a lot about this
sort of thing, the LP is absolutely impossible to find. All I have is a tape
made by a friend a long time ago, in not great shape. It's basically been
played out. It would be fabulous to have a cd re-ish of this one. The tape I
have had personnel and song titles on it too, but the ink is so faded as to be
unreadable.
-Tom O'Toole
-JHUVMS System Programmer
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: GETTING HOLDSWORTH ON A TALK SHOW
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 30 May 92 20:17:20 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga
Subject: GETTING HOLDSWORTH ON A TALK SHOW
Has Allan ever appeared on any of the late-night talk shows (Letterman, Tonight
Show, etc.)? I just saw a commercial for the Tonight Show with Jay Leno
saying "give us a call and let us know who you'd like to see on the show". Do
you think it would be worthwhile to give them a call or drop them a letter? I
guess this is sort of akin to Jeff's campaign to get Holdsworth on Star Trek
The Next Generation. The new Tonight Show might be a pretty good place for
him to appear as far as gaining exposure (I've noticed that musical guests
usually get to perform two numbers!).
-Lynn
< R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) >
< Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center >
< Brandeis University, Waltham, MA >
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 30 May 92 01:38:50 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
I've had the book for a long time. It's helped me to partially understand the
guy, and his music, and has a great selection of photographs. It's hard to
know what you're looking for, so it might not be what you want or need. It's
got something for everyone in my opinion. To get some of the exact chords and
notes for the music is pretty cool IMHO.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 30 May 92 01:37:21 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
Hi there. Dissonance, hmmmm? Try something like Henry Cow, or perhaps
mid-seventies King Crimson for dissonant stuff. Holdsworth of late hasn't
done too many "out" pieces. Earlier material might be worth tracking down.
Perhaps some jazz-fusion stuff with some bite might be "Scott Henderson and
Tribal Tech", or some Uzeb (from Montreal Canada). Don't know what else to
tell you.
Holdsworth's stuff of late is pretty consonant, but everything changes and
finding the old clashing stuff might be hard to find. Some mid-period Gong,
perhaps?
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 30 May 92 01:42:27 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
One cool aspect of "Things You See/Sunbird": HOLDSWORTH SINGS! (on one track
only).
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 30 May 92 01:40:40 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Allan & Gordon Beck
I on the other hand felt that "With a Heart In My Song" was great. It was a
wonderful companion to "Secrets". The long version of "54 Duncan Terrace" and
"Sundays" were standouts for me. Great jazzy stuff. Excellent sound quality
a good "show off the stereo" CD.
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From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
To: Jeff Preston
Date: Sat, 30 May 92 01:47:53 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org
Subject: Re: Die hards?!
Kind of remind me of the Outsiders. The Outsiders were a local jazz-fusion
group that were unbelievable. They have two independently released cassettes
of original music. The impressive guy was Greg Herzenagh, who was their lead
guitarist. He was a regular musical chameleon - I saw them live many times.
Herzenagh could imitate Holdsworth note perfect, Metheny, Steve Morse, yet had
a style all his own. He was pretty darn advanced. When the Outsiders split,
he moved to California and got a job playing guitar with Peter Himmellman.
This was a good deal for him, but he didn't do any of the scary fusion guitar
like he did with the Outsiders. The bass player in the Outsiders, John Purtle
is a 6-string bass monster who just won (again) the best bassist contest that
a Minneapolis music store sponsored. He really had a great, original style.
Their stuff was really something, yet most of you will never hear of them or
have heard of them. It's sad - so much good music out there and not enough
good distribution.
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